The Naam
How is the Quintessent Mind-Jyot, spontaneously self-evident ?
Your comments please ...
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Permalink Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe
Aug 8
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Dear Fellow Members,
The Naam has invited much discussion in terms of
semantics and the structure and development of language. Is Naam
a Noumenon, ie an object of
intellectual intuition, perception and experience, and does it define itself
only from a multi-lateral perspective ? Or is it
Faith-sensitive with a Religious focus only? For when we say Naam, do we mean "Name"? If so what Name is that ? What specific word is The Naam?
Waheguru, Satnaam, Raam or ... what other Nomenclature or Terminology does it
allude to ? In a nutshell, what specifically does NAAM
mean. These are some questions that come to Mind;
perhaps all are semblances of thought-redundance, or
perhaps there are more? It will be good if we could crystallize thought
pertaining to Naam. Any contributions
.... ?
Visit Universal Mind at http://themool.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=936767%3ATopic%3A495
HE is the Formless, Shapeless, Classless, Raceless,
etc. Evergreen and Omnipresent, Experiential, SO FAR AWAY but yet SO NEAR to
us; NAAM ...
Amrjit
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Permalink Reply by Antonia
Donofrio Aug 10
amrjit
What is Naam? Or what is the
Naam? A little different view.
or Who is Naam? Also a little different.
Sat Naam!
The Truth of the Universe is Your Identity. Just as difficult
as Naam, the word alone. Doesn't do much to clear things up, does it? But for the sake of discussion
- Naam is very big.
Naam contains Universe as its identity, so Naam is larger than the universe.
Naam is the Truth of the Universe, so it is very
comprehensive and inevitable.
Naam is Your Identity. Who does Your refer to? Whose Identity? Naam is the
Identity of the Almighty -- whose has many names. Naam
is the root of the word "name" but in this context is not the name of
anyone.
Naam is Your Identity - does this also acknowledge
that Naam is our identity, though we may not realize
it as such.
This is the best I can do. My answer probably takes us into the
"Faith-sensitive" direction and reflects my overall orientation to
the question at this time.
Sat Naam
toniji
Permalink Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe
Aug 11
Toni Ji
Many thanks for the much-needed 'kickstart'
! You've done very well, given the constraints.
Please have a look at the following quote-couplet from SGGS :
I pray that it helps the discussion along. Per our Gurbani,
even if there were zillions of tongues uttering aloud the 'Name of God',
there will, nevertheless, only be ONE NAME of
GOD that will remain, amidst the plenitude of names uttered ad infinitum.
In that couplet, I am not sure if the Gurbani means
that 'one name' is 'JAGDEES'or
there is only 'one name' of JAGDEES
for God? Help ! Could anyone help me here, please ?
Relating to that, one may have heard the Chant ' Jai jagdees
haryeh, swami, jai jagdees haryeh ... ' ?
There is another couplet which supplements the discussion so far, viz:
" Jay, sou chandda
oogwyeh, sooraj chardyeh hazaar,
Eaytyeh chaannunn
hondyeaan, gur bin khorr anddhar "
If hundreds of moons rise, and also do thousands of suns,
Within so much of an illumination-ambience, there is yet but darkness without
the GUR.
Hence, then, like 'Logos', if The Naam
be The Name of God, then it has to be the TRUE GUR mantra
(password or PIN) !
In a nutshell, God has only ONE NAME, which, when revealed, becomes the
GUR (password or PIN) that opens up ACCESS to all and everything there is to
know, about GOD, The Universal Mind, The JYOT with its limitless Universal
Intelligence ...
Kirat karo,
Wandd shako, Naam Jappo !
The 'assidous-labouring (of love)', 'sharing' and
'reiteration' of Naam (any password of your
choice) ensures remembrance and ongoing validation of one's Gur
and hence a continuing 'hyperlink' or 'uplink' with our Quintessent
Jyot, our Mool, our
Universal Mind ... !
SatNaam
Amrjit
Permalink Reply by Antonia
Donofrio Aug 11
Amrjit
I think you make a fundamental point in important ways. There are those who
would argue that because there are do many names, and so many of them come from
the Vedas, that Sikhi is a form of Hinduism (not
really such a thing). Then the completely unique way in which Sikhi things of God-- so different from other visions of
God -- gets lost.
This is always problematic for me. It is sad that even some Sikhs do not take
the time to see how wonderfully different is Waheguru.
toniji
Permalink Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe
Aug 12
ToniJi
In a previous post on another Group you had quoted [SGGS Panna
705]:
Notice that a variation of the Word JUGDEES occurs at the end of the 2nd
sentence.
The full quote is obtained by clicking on thumbnail below:
[SGGS Panna 705]
Click on images to enlarge.
Also note the use of the Word Raam as the Naam in the following:
[SGGS Panna 972]
and in :
[SGGS Panna 555]
In the following, the Ambrosial Nectar is said to be the Naam :
[SGGS Panna 1074]
You are right, either of the words Raam and JAGDEES
occur as the Name of God or Naam !
Waheguru, as a Name of God or NAAM,
appears to be not in prolific use as , say, Raam. A reason could be that during that early-dawn time
period of Sikhism, the word Raam might have been more
commonly used. In a way very similar to the use of the word "GOD" in
virtually every theological discussion or reference in modern times ...
Another reason could be that it was formulated in a later time by Guru Gobind Singh Ji and is currently
the more rigorously approved Name of God or The Naam.
In our time of Sikhi, therefore the Naam is WAHEGURU.
The Naam is Sat (or Sut)
- The Truth !
Amrjit
Permalink Reply by Antonia
Donofrio Aug 10
(Reply that was deleted)
I am not trying to be a difficult person. But the topic, as you point out, is
complicated. I read it, feel overwhelmed, and log off not knowing where to
start.
We can agree that there are various semantic and linguistic aspects to Naam, as well as historical and theological aspects, and go
in that direction. A more scholastic direction.
Or we can look at other issues you have raised. Noumenon. Not exactly
intellectual, but more a way of knowing a particular reality. By what channel of knowing, and by what kind of perception?
Or as a religious precept, and faith-sensitive.
Then there are comparative understandings of Naam. Is
it the same as Logos? Or, is Logos a dualistic concept and very unlike the
concept of Naam?
This reply initially preceded my second reply and followed Amrjit's
opening comments.
Apologies, but this is very difficult work. I will comment in another window,
just to kick things off.
toniji
Permalink Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe
Aug 11
ToniJi,
I am not so awfully familiar with the detail of 'Logos'. Could you perhaps
clarify for me ?
Thanks
Amrjit
Permalink Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe
Aug 12
Bhai Gurmit Singh Ji,
Would you like to here add your thoughts on the Medicinal aspect of Naam and its effective implementation ?
::>
[SGGS Panna 616]
Per our Gurbani, The Naam
cures us of all maladies and is quite easily obtained at a Guru-dwara - the Tenth Gate ? The Naam has multi-versal
curative applications, the highest indeed being
Amrjit
Permalink Reply by Santokh Singh Aug 28
Here's a like that might interest you. The punjabi poem is just amazing.
This is the English on Rana Surat
Singh by Bhai Sahib Bhai Vir Singh Ji.
http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/sikh-scriptures-and-literature/r...