Reply by Santokh Singh Aug 28
 

I have a valid question about Naam.
Does Naam mean the same "thing" in all the verses ?(not a scholarly approach but a true seeker's approach).

Honest Request from me. How can I identify Naam in my daily living ?

 

Reply by Santokh Singh Aug 29
 

I hope I am not going to be preached that I need a living master to show me the way.
http://www.geocities.com/eckcult/lane2.html

 

Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe Aug 29

Mere Veer Santokh Singh Ji,

No, definitely NOT by me! Nor by any of us at Universal Mind, I believe :)

Mun tu jyot saroop hai ... !!You are of the Mool Quintessence yourself ...

I'll be answering your earlier post about Naam and its identification in daily life shortly. please allow me a little more time as your questions cover a lot of ground, I think !

Best regards

WJKK-WJKF !

Amrjit

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Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe Aug 29

Veer Santokh Ji,

Thanks for the question about Naam and how to identify with it in daily life. Thanks also for the links you sent. They require to be read thoroughly and mulled over for a time ...

In my opinion, Naam is like a Collective Noun. It encompasses many Names of God, yet ultimately they all point to the same essence (or MOOL ) of The Naam. So although it may sound and/or mean different in separate verses, all those sounds culminate in the One Gurmantar, they all strike the same Naad Dhun as Raam, Jagdees, Hari, Khuda, Allah, WAHEGURU, Nirangkaar, Niranjan, and so on. In Akaal Ustat, Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj says >>CLICK HERE<< says that the Names of God are many.

That is, having said that Naam is the same "thing", in my opinion, in different verses, we need to understand what is the Naam-State, before trying to answer as to how to identify it in daily life.

Naam, to me, is a state of awe and rapture, that focusses our innate Attention (Dhian) on the grandeur of of our Cosmos, our Universe so much so that our Entire BEING gets 'lost' in the majesty and splendour of that Intrinsic Intelligence that is behind all of, manifest and unmanifest, Creation. By re-iterating any one of God's Names, or The Naam, we can be in that state beforehand ... and be fixated on our Prime GurMantar ... Waheguru

How do we identify with The Naam, therefore ? Well, have a look at SGGS Panna 972- Bani of Bhagat NaamDeo or click on thumbnails below :

[SGGS Panna 972]


Just as a boy flies his kite, talks to his friends, but keeps his attention on the kite string, and just as a maiden carries a pitcher of water on her head, walks and talks with her friends, but keeps her attention on the pitcher so that it does not fall off her head, and just as a goldsmith keeps his attention focussed on his work, whilst still talking to his customers, so also we need to keep our Being (Soul) focussed in its attention on any Name of God (or The Naam), whilst we still carry out our daily chores with our feet and hands ...

Santokh Ji, please have a read of the above sabad. It explains very simply how to identify with Naam in our daily living.

I hope this helps :)

WJKK-WJKF !

Amrjit

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Reply by Santokh Singh Aug 29

I need further clarification on this. Because mind needs mental pictures to put its attention on, like the cow's attention is on the calf - it has it's goal very clear in mind. But how does one have a clear picture on Shabad Waheguru in one's mind? Your first half has helped me but made me even more curious. But this is good satsang.

 

 

Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe Aug 29

What you say is completely true, Santokh Ji, and tried as hard as I could, it remained an enigma for me to think out, feel out, or intuit out, a method whereby we could fix our attention of the very abstract, Waheguru ! As you say ours is truly a satsang approach. We can only offer our thoughts and ideas, feelings and beliefs, to share with all of us and we hope somewhere, somehow we will come up with what a true-seeker needs ?

How do we transpose the Gurbani of Bhagat Naam Deo to elucidate the Naam is something I will now ponder over and hope to get back to you in a couple of days. Meantime could you please also try doing the same? Two heads are better than one, they say !

PS I don't think ToniJi will keep tabs on you (lol) but I must say she is quite excited to have you on our team !!!! She is our new "Network Administrator" and we can look forward to a lot from her !!

 

 

Reply by gurmit singh Aug 29

WJKK WJKF
Veerji Here is my understanding from the study of SGGSji.

The above shabad of Bhagat Naam Deo refers to the state of mind which we are accustomed to in our normal daily life wherein the subconscious mind and the senses are aware about of one thing while doing something else.

From ancient times saints and scholars have explained that our ANTEHKARAN has four parts :
MAN : Its activity is thought processes.
BUDHI : Its activity is to decide and choose.
CHIT : Its activity is to memory.
AHANKAR : It is the awareness of self and thats why relationship.

Bhagat Naam Deo ji is explaining an important method in spirtual practice.
This is how we can do our daily chores and do simran at the same time.
What we do is Naam simran.
Naam means our origin. All is oneness , a manifestation of Nirankar.Although every thing in this world appears separate but has same origin. This facet has been refered in gurbani as Naam.
Name that refer to the origin when repeated again and again is Jap.
Gurbani shabads also point towards GOD and are thus JAP when repeated.
Simran is RE-MEMBRANCE of our origin.
Purpose of JAP and SIMRAN is to lift the viels that create the illusion of separateness.

The world has originated by the SHABAD .And this divine origin aspect of the world is Naam.
Naam simran is to focus on our origin so as to unviel the origin.


Through the Shabad, is the Naam (and); through the Shabad, we are united again.
- SGGS page 644
Shabad is flowing in everyone and every thing and the way taught by Guru Nanak Devji is Surt- Shabad Abhyas.

When we start to read gurbani with these ideas in mind the meanings get to reveal themselves.

gurmit

 

 

Reply by Antonia Donofrio Aug 29

Santokh, Amrjit and Gurmit

Really on impulse I visited the site to see if anything had happened since last night. This is one of those mushrooming discussions that mean so much. My reaction here is half-baked -- just based instant images that flashed around as i read through the conversation quickly.

The Shabad - Just as a boy flies his kite, talks to his friends, but keeps his attention on the kite string, and just as a maiden carries a pitcher of water on her head, walks and talks with her friends, but keeps her attention on the pitcher so that it does not fall off her head, and just as a goldsmith keeps his attention focussed on his work, whilst still talking to his customers, so also we need to keep our Being (Soul) focussed in its attention on any Name of God (or The Naam), whilst we still carry out our daily chores with our feet and hands ...

It is describing the feeling and sound of the process - a kind of in-tunement - perceiving and adjusting the pitch and timbre of our connection inwardly and outwardly - according to a sense of "just rightness" - That was more my intuitive reaction rather than an image.

Then the image of the cow attending to the calf - Santokh describing how images like these help. And the image that came to me was a counter-image - the calf seeking the gaze of its mother.

Putting these two ideas together, the discussion does instant magic. More to assimilate. This is just half-baked. I need to go back and think about everything that has been said by all of you.

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Reply by gurmit singh Aug 30

Amarjit ji

You had commented on mind needing mental pictures to focus on.
But this is true with regard to conscious awareness focused on this world and is only a part of minds job/function.

The purpose of simran is to bo beyond the mind.Consciousness is separate from the general acceptance of what mind is.
Feeling is the key.
We have to give up minds pictures.It is one of the viel.
"JIN PREM KYOO TIN HI PRABH PAYOO"

gurmit