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Donofrio Sep 6
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Amrji ji
Shabd Guru is used in the main in the way that you
are most familiar -- every day -- Who is our Guru? Who dispels darkness?
In the context of this discussion you may find the reading at this link helpful
-- by Yogi Bhajan --
http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/articles.nsf/fed9a32db02c04088725667...
And I will Google for some other materials on this.
toniji
Reply by Antonia
Donofrio Sep 6
A continuation -- because I was distracted half way through
--
Shabd Guru
Shabd" comes from Sha-
and -bd. "Sha" means the expression of the
ego, the attachments we identify with."Bd"
means to cut out/off or to eradicate. The root meaning of Sha-bd
is that which cuts the ego. It is not just any sound. It is not just a wise
sound or a song of truth. It is a sound that cuts away the ego that occludes
the truth from you. This is a passage from the article referenced in the
link above. Guru - the light which dispels darkness is the one who cuts off
expressions of the ego. Jap and Simran are both the what and the how. But there is more to the article, and
it is one of Yogi's better lectures.
My thought would be that the sound and rhythm that lead to God are found in the
Shabds of the Guru - Guruji.
So the discussion is both about the what or the content of prayer which
gives insight and the how or the actions which bestow energy -- leading
away from the constraints that blind and deafen and a where, Shabd Guru leading us through Naam
to another situation, or place
In describing Naam -- Guru Arjan Dev ji Panna
189
Gauree, Fifth Mehla:
The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is the Support of the
breath of life of His devotees.
The Naam is their wealth, the Naam
is their occupation. ||1||
By the greatness of the Naam,
His humble servants are blessed with glory.
The Lord Himself bestows it, in His Mercy. ||1||Pause||
The Naam is the home of peace of His devotees.
Attuned to the Naam, His devotees are approved. ||2||
The Name of the Lord is the support of His humble servants.
With each and every breath, they remember the Naam.
||3||
Says Nanak, those who have perfect destiny
- their minds are attached to the Naam.
||4||49||118||
Just as light is both a particle and a wave, so Guru Arjan
describes Naam as having what, how and where. Naam is both substance and frequency, and it defines a
space. As what or substance, the felt presence of Naam
supports His servants, supports the breath of life, is
wealth that the Lord himself bestows. As how or vibration or frequency,
His devotees are attuned to the Naam. and His humble servants remember it. And as where, Naam is situated - Naam has
dimension because it has greatness and it is the home of peace, a place where
those who have a perfect destiny attach their minds to Naam,
Just a few thoughts
P/S Gurmit ji, I
am working systematically on a more intelligent response to your comments on
Munn.
toniji
Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe
Sep 6
ToniJi
Thanks. I'm having to read your above, interesting
thoughts slowly and carefully to understand ... :)
Good to see you back ...
Amrjit
Reply by Antonia
Donofrio Sep 6
Well what happened. You were responding and I couldn't save
some changes. Mutual interference. Oh dear!
Now it is lost. I didn't save the changes.
toniji
Reply by Amrjit Singh Bandeshe
Sep 6
For your reference, dear member
[SGGS-Panna 189]
The Gurmukhi Text of the Shabad
in ToniJi's above post is shown as a thumbnail above.
Please click on it to enlarge and go to new full-window view.
Amrjit
Reply by Antonia
Donofrio Sep 6
This web site has some interesting information.
http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/articles_guru_shabad.html"
Reply by Antonia
Donofrio Sep 7
Dear members,
Our discussion has taken a turn into an exciting area of study -- the
connection between science and spirituality. The attached document has
interesting information about quantum theory and its relationship to spiritual
experience. The Internet source for the document is http://www.project.naad/
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Reply by gurmit singh Sep 7
Thank you Toniji
The sites you have given the links to are interesting.
Amarjit ji to grasp the
true essence The Shabad - Guru we have to have first
a broader view and then go into details. Here is a broad depiction:
gurmit
Reply by Antonia
Donofrio Sep 7
Gurmit,
The diagram really helps because it shows how Shabad
- Shabad Guru - Guru Shabads
are related, and one flows into the other -- from Nirankar
to SGGSji.
This was confusing at first because the parts and the whole were not clear.
toniji
Reply by Antonia
Donofrio Sep 8
A vantage
point on the brain in meditation.
During meditation, people often feel a sense of no space. Scientists
investigating the effect of the meditative stateon
Buddhist monk's brains have found that portions ofthe
organ previously active become quiet, whilst pacified areas become stimulated.
Using a brain imaging technique, Dr. Newberg and his team studied a group of
Tibetan Buddhist monks as they meditated for approximately one hour. When they
reached a transcendental high, they were asked to pull a kite string to their
right, releasing an injection of a radioactive tracer. By injecting a tiny
amount of radioactive marker into the bloodstream of a deep meditator,
the scientists soon saw how the dye moved to active parts of the brain.
Later, once the subjects had finished meditating, the regions were imaged and
the meditation state compared with the normal waking state. The scans provided
remarkable clues about what goes on in the brain during meditation. "There
was an increase in activity in the front part of the brain, the area that is
activated when anyone focuses attention on a particular task," Dr Newberg
explained. In addition, a notable decrease in activity in the back part of the
brain, or parietal lobe, recognized as the area responsible for orientation,
reinforced the general suggestion that meditation leads to a lack of spatial
awareness.
Dr Newberg explained: "During meditation, people have a loss of the sense
of self and frequently experience a sense of no space and time and that was
exactly what we saw." The complex interaction between different areas of
the brain also resembles the pattern of activity that occurs during other
so-called spiritual or mystical experiences.
And imaging of brain activity during the meditation of a Buddhist monk
From http://www.crystalinks.com/medbrain.htmluc